Outdoors RV Mountain Series vs Titanium vs Back Country vs Trail explained at Thompson RV dealership

– Hello, and welcomeback to Adventurous Way.

I'm Matt, and behind the camera is Diana, and we're here today at Thompson RV.

Thompson RV is an Outdoors RV dealership in Pendleton, Oregon, and todaywe're going to be learning about all the different modelsof Outdoors RV trailers, the different series, the different classes, and the different trim levels.

I'm here with Corrin.

Corrin, it's been great to meet you today.

– You too.

– Tell us a little bitabout what Thompson RV does, and what you sell here.

– Okay, so we're a family-ownedand operated dealership, It's my mom, my brother, and I, my dad is retired, but we've been in business since 1953.

– Wow.

– And we've been inPendleton that whole time.

We mainly sell the Outdoors RV, and Northwood products out of La Grande.

We are the closest OutdoorsRV dealership to the factory, so that is kinda special.

People will fly out and do factory tours, or they'll drive out and do factory tours, and then they come, and they view all of the Outdoors RVproducts out here on our lot.

– And that's exactly what we did a couple of years agoin fact when we did the Outdoors RV factory tourduring our research.

So today we're gonna learn about some of the different Outdoors RV models.

– Yes.

– Now, from the factory tour, we were introduced to terms like Mountain Series, andTitanium, and Glacier Peak, and all these things, and Ill be honest withyou, it's super confusing.

– Right.

– So I'm hoping you can sheda bit of light on that for us, and help us understandwhat all these things mean.

– Okay, yeah, so that'sone of the questions we get all the time.

I think that sometimes it's a little hard when you're just doingyour research online, a lot of people live were their aren't an outdoors RV dealership close, so they might be at theeast coast, or somewhere, and they can't do the research on a dealers lot and see the differences, so we get a lot of questions on what are the differences between a Creek Side and a Black Stone and that kind of thing.

– Exactly.

So the easiest way to think about it is most people that havebeen shopping for a trailer have also been out truck shopping.

So when you're truck shopping you have the option of a 1/2 ton, a 3/4 ton and a 1 ton, okay? Then once you pick which truck you want, then you pick your trim level.

– Gotcha.

– So let's say you're shopping for a Ford, you're gonna pick maybe aLariat or a King Ranch edition.

If you try and think of itin that simple of a term, you've got your Creek Side, which is gonna be yoursmaller, lighter weight.

– That's a 1/2 ton truck? – Correct, and some of theTimber Ridges are, too.

Once you bum up into the Timber Ridge, but you're gonna get aslide out, they're gonna be a little bit heavier.

– Gotcha.

– A little bit bigger frame, a little bit biggerchassis, that kind of thing, we can get into some moreof those differences– – An these trailers are, Imean they're really well built, but they're not light, are they? These are not super light trailers.

– No, no, If you want to stay light, you pretty much have to go smaller, yeah.

Because the point of this brand, the Outdoors RV, is to be stout.

They're for off-road rugged use, they're for cold weathercamping, hot weather camping.

So it's very importantthat they're well built and quality doesn't comein a light-weight package.

– It's not light.

– No.

So basically, when you're out shopping, if you're looking for a trailer and you're settled onthe Outdoors RV brand, then you've got the Creek Side, which again is gonna be yoursmaller, lighter-weight, your Timber Ridge is the next, it's gonna be one single slide out, little bit bigger floor plans, and then the Back Stone.

Black Stone's gonna be the heaviest, the longest, and two or more slide outs.

Glacier Peak is going tobe their Fifth Wheel line, so once you choose and youdetermine what size you want, then you pick your trimlevel, Mountain or Titanium, and of course we cango into the differences on the mountain versus the titanium.

– Which is what, 10, 000 poundGVWR typically on those, right around that? – Well we don't typicallygo by by the GVWR because that's what theaxles are rated for, and Outdoors RV usesreally heavy duty axles, so that is just your carrying capacity.

What you really wannalook at is the dry weight, and Outdoors RV is really good to post accurate drive weights.

A lot of companies post lowerdry weights with no options, that's why they call it theirfull feature dry weight.

So if you look at abrochure, you look online, it'll telly you thefull feature dry weight.

So dry weights on your Creek Sides are gonna be more like inthe 5, 000, 6, 000 pound range.

– Yep, that's— Correct, yep.

And then your Timber Ridgeis gonna be under 7, 750, 6, 000 to 7, 750, Black Stone is gonna be 7, 000 and above on your dry weight.

Then of course you have toadd for water and belongings, – Yeah, and then we have the one ton is roughly speakingthe Black Stone models? – Well and here's the thing, so there are some Timber Ridge models that can be towed witha heavy 1/2 ton pickup.

– Okay.

– Yeah, so there's a lot of these F150 Ecoboostsand things like that, the Dodge Hemi's thatare towing 10, 000 pounds.

You still wanna be able to stop, right? So we don't recommend going that heavy, but there are a few 24foot Timber Ridge models that you can to with 1/2 tons.

Yes, so, we do have to go through and kind of see what truck you have and what trailer might fitit, but generally speaking, the Timber Ridge isgoing to be your midsize and then Black Stone.

A lot of diesels, it doesn't matter if it's really a 3/4 or a one ton, The Black Stone, you're gonna be up into your bigger dieselpickups, not an F150.

– And then you mentioned that you guys would have to look at thetruck that someones got, do you help them through that process? – We do, so now, granted, there are different rear axle differentialsor rear axle ratios and things like that, there's different thingsthat you have to look at, so we do recommend that you either call you dealer or check your manual or on the side of your truck, I think it sometimes sayswhat your tow capacity is.

But we do help you through the process as far as what kind ofcamping you wanna do, how small you wanna go to get in, how off-road are you going to be, are you gonna be in parks, so that you don't wanna get too long– – Yeah, some people aremore off-road than others.

– Exactly, yes .

(laughing) – We definitely fall into that camp, and yeah, we've loved thistrailer for that very reason, it's really taken us tosome amazing amazing places.

– Right, right.

– So you mentioned aboutsort of helping people through that journey, and I know that's somethingthat you guys here are really well known for, I know from the owners groups, very very highly respected here.

In fact, a friend orours drove all the way from Arkansas just topick up their trailer all the way up here in Northeast Oregon.

– Yes.

– Tell us a bit more aboutwhy do people do that? Why do they drive so farto buy these trailers? – Well, I think a part of it is obviously that we're family owned and operated, and when people are outshopping for a trailer and their shopping from 2, 500 miles away, it's very important that youhave a trusting relationship with the dealer that you're dealing with, so you don't necessarily get the salesman that's been there for two weeks, and you don't necessarily wanna get such a big dealership that theydon't even know who you are, what you're shoppingfor, that kind of thing.

So, we get a lot of recommendations from the forums, from the Facebook group because people that havecome up here and met us, they know that we're trustworthy.

So that's a big part of it, so, the person you'respeaking of from Arkansas, when they first started out, they were looking at anentirely different trailer.

I believe they didn't even have a truck, and so we helped them figure out exactly what they were going to be doing, how big of a truck they wanted to go with, how big of a trailer theywanted to go to fit that, and actually I think theyeven went a size smaller 'cause they decided they wanted to be more off-grid, boondocking, so– – And we've actually and the privileged of bookdocking with them just a couple of weeksafter they got the trailer, and they are absolutely smitten with it.

So what I'd love to do is I'd love to take a look atsome of these different models.

– Okay.

– I know we've heard about these different things, we've heard about the Creek Side, the TimberRidge, and the Black Stone, we've heard about theGlacier Peak Fifth Wheels, but I'm still pretty confused by this Mountain Series, the Titanium Series, and I'm still not sure where the Back Country Series comes in.

– Oh, Exactly.

– So maybe we can go andtake a look at some trailers.

– Absolutely.

– And start seeing what we can find.

– Okay, sounds good.

– [Matt] We're standingnow outside one of the Back Country Seriesmodels, which I believe is one of the most recent models that Outdoors RV has introduced– – It is, yes.

– Can you tell us a little bitabout the Back Country Series and why that might be agood model choice for you? – Yeah, absolutely, so one of the most specific things aboutthe Back Country Series is gonna be the built-in generator, so other than theMountian TRX Trail Series, which is more like a toy hauler version, this is a travel trailer thathas a built-in Onan generator.

So, for definite off-grid camping, they also, all of theOutdoors RV are solar ready, but this model comes withsolar, the 170 watt solar, already mounted on theroof, correct, yeah.

– And the generator here is, does that run off propane or gas? – Yes, it's a propane generator.

– Propane generator, and that'sconnecting to the same tanks as on the front of the– – Exactly, so it's already plumbed in, you just push a button inside, boom, you have 110 power, you canrun your air conditioner, your microwave, yeah, uh huh.

– One of the things we reallylike about Outdoors RV is, and this is one of the largermodels they do in this series, but even on the smallerone, like ours, a 21 model, we still have two 30 pound propane tanks.

– Right.

– Whereas a lot of RV'sthat you see our size would be, say, two 20pounders or even smaller.

– Exactly.

– So two 30 pounders, that's plenty, is it, to run the generator? – Yes, absolutely, andthen the other thing, too, is on this particular model, they do the four battery tray, so you can do up to four batteries on the front tongue of the trailer.

– And then what else have they changed on the Back Country Seriesthat make it more suitable for going off road, or off grid? – Well, so, like all ofthe Outdoors RV products, they've got the heavy-duty frame, they have the heavy-duty axles, the Off Road X4 Suspension is something that'sstandard on this model, but mainly it's gonna be the power, the generator, and the solar.

– And I know, you mentioned the X4 there, the X4 package issomething we had on ours, and we really want to, Ithink you were saying earlier that you have alwaysordered you models with– – We've always ordered, I mean, you would never order a car andnot order suspension, right? And you'd be shocked howmany trailer brands out there have no suspension on their trailers, well, any time you have good suspension you're gonna savewear-and-tear on the trailer, you're gonna get a bettertow behind your truck, so yeah, you get theMORryde CRE 3000 suspension, the heavy-duty shackles, now they're using, as of right now, they're using the KYB shocks, that used to be theMonroe off-road shocks, but either way, they're both great.

They do have slightlydifferent floor plans in the Back CountrySeries, and the trim level on the inside is a little bit different as far as the Mountain andthe Back Country Series, price point wise, though, it's gonna be right in between aMountain and a Titanium, because you're paying alittle bit of extra money for this built in on-board generator, but then you don't have topack a portable generator and you don't have to packgas and that kind of thing.

– But otherwise, though, in terms of their off-road capabilities.

– Same thing.

– Doesn't matter which trailer you buy, you're pretty well gonna get the same capabilities off-road.

– Yep, exactly.

– That is awesome.

– Yeah.

– [Matt] So this trailer that we're standing in front of here, this is a Mountain Series, and this looks very familiar to us, because this is exactly oneof our trailers, basically.

– Right.

– Tell us more about the Mountain Series, what does this series include? – So, the Mountain Series is technically their entry-level model, from there you can go upto the Titanium Series, but it's anything but entry-level, right? So off-road X4 suspension, which is something that westock on all of our units, so you're gonna get the bestsuspension in the industry.

– And we have friends that actually, who've replaced thenon heavy-duty shackles on their pretty big trailers, on their Fifth Wheels and things, and they've been surprised to see that even our little 21 foot trailer has pretty beefy shackles on it.

– Yeah, that's the suspensionthat we used to only see on 80, 000 dollar Fifth Wheels, and now we're seeing it on our 20 foot OutdoorsRV Mountain Series, so.

– That's fantastic, sothat's the suspension, what else are some of thestandard features on here, that– – Well, Outdoors RV, if you'veever done the plant tour, or if you've done some research, you know that they buildall their own frames, so their chasses are heavy-duty, they used heavy-duty axles, two inch thick side walls for extra insulation, even the foam that they put in the walls is different than whateverybody else uses.

– It is really well insulated.

– It's a virgin foam, so it'sa better quality of foam, dual-pane windows are a standard feature, so everything that they do is just gonna be top-notchover the competition.

On the Creek Side class, you're gonna get 15 inch wheels and tires, on the Timber Ridge, it's an option of a 15, but we have upgrade everything to 16 inch, so pretty much everything we stock is gonna have that 16 inch wheel and tire, except the Creek Side class.

– And that, the X4 package I think is now standard on all models? – Correct, they did make itstandard earlier this year.

– Talk us through some of the capacities, the propane and the tanksand things on these.

– Okay, so everything's gonna come with the two seven anda half gallon tanks, they have option of two batteries, but we can upgrade pretty much anything to four batteries easy, very easily, some people do morebatteries or more storage, but four's pretty easy to do, solar panels, they take up to 370 watts– – And that's where the combiner box that's already on the roof, installed– – Correct, it's alreadyon the roof ready to go.

– So the wiring is runningdown, all the way down to here, so if you are thinking of doing solar, even if the trailerdoesn't come with solar it comes with a combinerbox and the wiring– – Correct, it's already ready, so all we have to do ismount it to the roof, mount the charger, and we're good to go.

– Perfect, and they also come with a port on the side as well? – Correct.

– What's that for, how does that work? – So that's for a portablesolar that you can set out, and what's nice about that, some people go with maybeone or two roof mounts, and then they'll go with a portable solar on the side as well, I think it's up to 180 watts on the side, and then you can movethat around in the sun, let's say you're in the trees, you can move it around to the sun.

– You can park in the shade and stay cool, we actually did, aboutthree months I think, when we first started with solar of nothing but a 100 watt portable panel.

– Oh, okay.

– And that was how welearned what solar we needed.

– Right.

– It was a really goodway for us to get started, simply just plug it in and go.

– Right, yeah.

– And then what about thetank capacitors inside, cause that was one of the things that really drew us to Outdoors RV.

– So most models have at least60 gallons of fresh water, which is good, and a lot of the Timber Ridge and Black Stone models are gonna have 80 gallons of fresh water, which you just don'tsee industry standard, and part of the reason beingthat a lot of these companies, they get their frames from a company, they get shipped up tothe trailer manufacturer, half the time, by the time they get there, they're already rusted, cause they've been sitting on a flat bedthrough the elements, and then they're made, we callthem cookie cutter frames, so if you have a 26 foot rear kitchen, they haven't changed thatto a 26 front kitchen, so the trailers that are comingout of a lot of factories aren't weighted properly, the frame is not built per floor plan, Outdoors RV, they buildeverything per floor plan.

– And that's critical, cause that means the tanks or where they needto be for distribution– – So all the weightdistribution is thought about, but because they build their own frames, they're able to make biggerareas for those tanks, so then it's not industry standard, so you don't have to just put a 40 gallon fresh water tank in there.

– So what we're talking about then is, and using our trailer as an example, it's a Mountain Series, this is quote un-quote Outdoors RV entry series that comes with we've got a 78 gallon freshtank, 40 gray, 40 black, two seven and a half gallon 30 pound propane tanks in the front, off-road suspension, Goodyear Endurance tires, a well-designed framespecific to that floor plan, solar ready, so that youcan either mount on the roof or plug one into the side, what are some of the otherthings that we can really look to see on these, and differentiate them from what you might find in other RV's.

– Well, yeah, there'sa lot of little things, so they do all LEDlights, but they also do screw on lens covers, sowhen you're off-roading and you're really getting after it, and you guys do on someof those crazy roads, those lens caps can pop off, right? So these are all screwed on, yeah, they do, on some of the, noton the Creek Side necessarily, but on the Timber Ridgeand the Black Stone where you've got skirt metal, they used diamond-scored skirt metal so if gives you more ruggedness when you, let's say you hit something, or whatever, it's gonna give you a littlebit more flexibility there, the wheel well, you know, everybody's had an old trailer where their wheel wellcover has cracked and, you know, whatever, theyuse a heavier duty material that's not gonna damage easily, so they've thought ofeverything on the outside, and then when we move to the inside, there's a lot of upgrades on the interior.

– There's some good stuff in there.

– Yes.

Okay, so now we are in a Mountain Series, this is actually theshortest model they make, it's the 18RBS, but we're gonna point out just a few of thefeatures that are standard on an Outdoors RV product, and again, this is their entry-level, even though we all know that it's not considered entry-level when you start shopping around for another trailer.

So, you'll always get a12 volt flat-screen TV, you get thermal panewindows, night shades, the cabinetry, as you can see in this is like a shaker-styledoor, solid hardwood, they screw all their cabinets together, a lot of industry standard isgoing to be stapled cabinetry, obviously that doesn't fare well when you go down reallyhard, rugged roads, so they staple, or excuse me, the screw everything together, all of the drawers are gonnabe mortise and tenon drawers, they use 150 pound ball bearingdrawer guides on everything, so it's a lot heavier dutythan industry standard, when you come over to the dinette, they use thicker cushions on the dinette, they also give you a muchthicker dinette seat in general, so a lot of industrystandard is going to be a simple little tinypiece of wood or luan, so this actually shows you howthey construct their walls, this is the inside wall piece, this is the foam core insulation, and that is the outside fiberglass, so when they route out the windows, they recycle them, cutthem down into these extremely heavy duty dinette seats.

So that's something that they do different from a lot of people, and it's really anupgrade, if you've ever sat on a dinette that just wants to bow, you'll know what I'm talking about.

They do a lot of wood work in their units, they also try and go for a craftsman style look in their trailers, you often get at least one, maybe two skylights, on all of our units, we do like to order the MaxxAir deluxe vent fans, so that the nice big fanwith the built in cover, they're thermostatically controlled, they have 10 differentspeeds, intake exhaust, so those are really goodwhen you're off grid camping, because if it's just a little bit too hot, but you can't run your air conditioner, cause maybe you don't wannaturn on your generator, or you just don't have power, those MaxxAir fans push a lot of air.

Especially on a model like this, where you don't have a heckof a lot of counter space, one thing that I love is theirsolid surface countertops with the built in sink covers.

– We love those.

– Yes, cause when you'reon the road a lot, when I'm cooking ordoing dishes or whatever, I will typically leave one side in so that I have a littlebit more prep space, I also love the sunken range.

– Always flush, isn't it? – Yes, because then if you're cooking, if you're not not cooking, excuse me, if you're not cooking, then you've got this as added counter space, sothat's really nice, they– – There's a few little detailsthat we really appreciated, like the knife rack in the back, so normally you'd have some dead space behind the stove there, they've just put a little piece of trim that youcan use a knife rack, and the same with a spice rack down here.

– Exactly.

– [Matt] Again, that would be dead space because of the sink.

– [Corrin] Right.

– It's got all theherbs and spices in now.

– Exactly, yeah, and theydo the cold weather kit on the Norcold, too, so a lot of our Outdoors RV customers would like to get out for extended season, we even have people that skiand go up to ski resorts, and really cold weather camping, so guys haven't been in supercold weather yet, or you have? – We've done down to about 20 Fahrenheit, so cold enough for me, butnothing in here changed.

– My brother was downin New Mexico last year, and it got down to negative five, and he was in his OutdoorsRV and did not freeze up, so that's good to know.

– [Matt] That's awesome.

– So one thing thatOutdoors RV does differently is their arched ceiling, and it's different thanother arched ceilings you might see industry standard, because when they wentto their arched ceiling they actually gained insulation, a lot of 'em, when they go to add height and the arch the ceiling, they'll take it out of theroof insulation, correct, when they went to their new truss style, it actually addsinsulation all the way down to where the roof meets the sidewall, so no longer are yougetting a pinch truss system where there's no insulation at the corner, you're getting fullinsulation all the way, and it adds extra height interior.

They also use a recessed LED lighting, which is nice, so another thingthat you don't think about is when you're shopping for a trailer they never have batteries, they never have the lights on, there are still trailers that you have to turn the lights on and off at the ceiling, so these are obviouslyall on the wall switch, unless you're talking in the dinette or sometimes readinglights, there's gonna be certain lights in the trailer that you turn on and off at the light, but the majority of them in the ceiling are gonna be all on a switch.

– So when we were lookingto buy our Outdoors RV, we knew that we needed a trailer that we could work in, thatwe could just have space to have laptops and things like that, and this dinette was the selling point for us on that floor plan.

This dinette is huge, and we have friends in big Fifth Wheels who's tables are smaller than this, why have they got such bigdinette, what's so good about it? – Well, so, for awhile in the industry, in the RV industry, for awhilewas the U shaped dinette, and that seemed like areally great idea, right? It looked really cool, but what happened was you ended up with a tablethat was half the size, and when you actually satadults around the table, there was no leg space, plus, the table legs for years you could just sit here and rock the table, and so every time I would sitdown to have a cup of coffee, one of my little toddlers would come in and there goes my coffee, and I hadn't had any yet, so it was kind of a big deal, so when the went to the Mountain dinette, it's a much sturdiertable, they've gone to a different leg and table base setup, it's just stout, it's really on there– – It's really sturdy, and what we've found is that we've had this for 12 months, it converts down into a bedas well very very easily.

– Correct.

– And when Dianna's brother stayed with us for a couple weeks on vacation, we were converting thisinto a bed each night, and I was really concernedthat after he went back, and we made it back up into a table again, it would now be wobbling and stuff, and it's not, it's solid.

– It's a great setup, but when they went tothe Mountain dinette, what they realized is not onlydo you get a gigantic table, you can actually seatmore people at this booth than you can at thoseold U shaped dinette.

– [Matt] So this trailer thatwe're standing in front of now is one of the Titanium Series, and this a 25RDS, I believe? – Correct, yes, a Timber Ridge.

– Timber Ridge, and Ibelieve there's something a little bit special about this one.

– Yes, this is the 20, 000thunit built by Outdoors RV, so it is a special, so the VIN number ends, it's 20, 000, yeah.

– That's super cool, andjust for anyone out there who's wondering how manyunits Outdoors RV produces, they are not a big manufacturer.

– No, correct, so this has been 10 years– – 10 years and they'vejust done their 20, 000th.

– 20, 000, yeah.

– That is awesome.

So tell us a little bit then, about on the Titanium Series, what do we get, how does this add to what the Mountain Series has? – Right, well on theTitanium you're gonna get the same quality features that you saw on the Mountain Series, so the same four seasons package, the same off-road suspension, the same heavy-duty frame, so it's everything that you're gonna get in the Mountain Series, but then you're also going toget some higher-end features.

– Gotcha.

– So one of the first things, and probably I'll mention some of the more expensive items first, on the exterior you're gonna get the high gloss Lamilux 4000 fiberglass.

– Which is super nice.

– It is, and it's actually thicker higher grade of fiberglass, so it's a really nice fiberglass, and it's also gray, so itdoes look a little bit richer, you also get the frame-less windows, so they're dual-paned, justlike on the Mountain Series, but they're the frame-less style, some people really likethe way that they pop out, because you can run them in the rain, I've had people with dogs that like them because their dogs can't– – Jump out.

– Claw out the screens, so youget the frame-less windows, You get the slide-out toppers, on the back you're gonnaget a back-up camera.

– [Matt] Okay.

– You're going to get back-up lights, and then you're also gonnaget some chrome accents.

– [Matt] Gotcha.

– On the outside of the trailer, that's mainly what you'regonna get on the outside, and some of those featuresthe dealer can add, like the slide toppers, the back-up camera, but then a few of them, obviously you can't change thefiberglass and the windows.

We actually stock more Titanium trailers than any other dealer, yeah, and part of it isbecause I own a Titanium, my mom owns a Titanium, so we really see thevalue, but it does depend on how you're camping, like you said, a lot of people reallylike the power jacks.

– [Matt] Yes, they are really nice.

– So you get a remote, lever on the power jacks, and things like that, sothey're are quite a few features that if you get to the point where you've had your dealeradd so many of them, that at that point you might as well have just gone to a Titanium, so it does, and that'swhere we step in, obviously, and help people figureout what they can add, what they want to addand that kind of thing.

– We're now standinginside the Titanium Series, and at first glance a lot of stuff in here looks a lot like what wesaw in the Mountain Series, but there's a few differences, right? – Correct, so the Mountain Series is a very nicely appointed trailer, but the Titanium we doget quite a few upgrades, on the inside, one of the first things that people notice is theraised panel cabinetry, so really, when you open and close 'em you're gonna notice that this is a thick, solid hardwood piece, and so you just get a littlebit better feel of a cabinet.

You're gonna get the high arc faucet, they have gone to a single basin sink now, which gives you a little bit more room as far as where you canput your pots and pans, plus it has the pull-out, which is really nice, so it feels a lot more like home, and when you're living in it, you're on the road all thetime, that's a big deal.

– [Matt] It really is.

– Yeah, so you also getthe slow rise shades in the Titanium Series.

– [Matt] And they'refull blackouts as well– – Correct, full blackout, so people can't see in and if you're in Alaska in the summer, andit's light until three AM, which I had some peoplethat were up there, they said those blackoutshades were great, so.

– I'll be they were, yeah.

– Yeah, you get thestainless steel appliances and a little bit differentstove in the Titanium Series, you also get the 15K air conditioner, that's one of the things that people don't even think to look at, because you can't see it, so you get the little bit bigger air– – Yeah, cause from here itlooks the same as ours– – Exactly, yep.

You also get a digital thermostat.

– [Matt] Okay.

– You get different hardwoodon the windows, right? So rather than the fabricvalences and sometimes leather, this is gonna be the hardwood.

Another thing that youget in the Titanium Series is going to be the solidsurface countertops, not only do you get them in the kitchen, you get 'em anywherethere is counter space.

– [Matt] Rather than the wood, or– – The formica, so rather than formica you get the solid surface countertops, which is a big deal in the bathroom, because then you get theunderslung stainless steel sink, and then next to the bed you're gonna get the solid surface countertops as well as under cabinet lighting, and then reading lights, so if you're one of those people like me, I still read paper books, not a Kindle, and so I enjoy having reading lights versus just one light thatshines down in your eyes, so that's a nice feature.

In the bedroom you also get the really nice upgraded mattress, that's one of the firstthings that it seems like people upgrade in theirtrailer, is their mattress, and that's like a thousanddollar upgraded mattress, it's really nice, yeah.

So in the Titanium bathroomyou're going to get the upgraded mirror, right? So it's got the lighted mirror, and then it has themagnification on one side, you also get the solidsurface countertops, which then give you the underslung stainlesssteel sink, which is nice.

In the Mountain Seriesit's gonna be formica with a plastic sink.

You also get upgraded hardware, so the toilet paper holderand the towel holder are a little bit upgradedover the Mountain Series.

So one nice thing about the Titanium is the color scheme is very neutral, you don't have any fabric on the valences and things like that, so if a person does want to change colors, it's as easy as takingout the sofa or the chairs and putting in the opposite color.

The dinette in the Titaniumis always gonna be two-tone with the two colorsbeing your color options, so if you want the IronRidge, the darker color, then you can just saw outthe other furniture to match, or if you want the Rustic Stone, you can put in that furniture as well, so it's really easy to make those changes if you prefer one color over the other.

– So the other type of trailer that Outdoors RV sells isthe Fifth Wheel trailers, so everything that we've seenso far is a travel trailer, and Glacier Peak, right, that's their Fifth Wheels.

So tell us a little bit about the Glacier Peak Fifth Wheel trailers.

– Well, so Glacier Peakfalls in to the category of people that want a high quality trailer built by Outdoors RV, but they would prefer to have a Fifth Wheel.

Maybe they've heard that they tow better, or maybe they just like theway they hook up better, me personally, I wantedto go a little bit longer, but I didn't really wanna haveany longer behind my truck, and I didn't mind having something taking up the space on my bed, yeah, so I went with a Glacier Peak just for the overall length, yep.

– And then you sell quitea lot these here, right? – We do, yeah, so I've personallyowned five Glacier Peaks.

– Five Glacier Peaks.

– Yes, and so we know a lot about them because we use them, so wesell a lot of Fifth Wheels, we stock more than most other places.

– And just to put it in context, I think the Fifth Wheels Outdoors RV, we saw earlier, they just sold or they just made their20, 000th unit total, and I think only about five percent of the trailers theymake are Fifth Wheels.

– Correct.

– And you've bought five of them, so you are basicallystealing all of their supply of Fifth Wheel trailers, that's per space, okay, got it, I see what's going on here.

– Yeah.

– But joking aside, this is not a big number of trailers they have, they don't have many of these, so you've kinda got to lookpretty carefully to find them.

– Absolutely, yeah, so the problem is, with their smaller production setup, if you run out, you can't get any more.

So we do try and stock up on Titanium Fifth Wheels especially, so that, throughout the year, if they're not building 'em, we still have them in stock.

– [Matt] Gotcha, andthat's because they do this sort of batching process on the line, and they'll build a load of one model, and then a load of the next model– – Correct, and becausethe Fifth Wheels are only five percent, they're notgonna be building them as often as they are something more popular.

A lot of people like thetaller ceiling height, so if they're gonna be in it a long time, maybe they're taking atwo month trip to Alaska, maybe they're gonnafull time it, whatever, they like that bigger spacious feeling.

– Feels very residential, doesn't it? – Yes, you also get the bigstorage area in the front, so there's a lot ofstorage in a Fifth Wheel a little bit more than you'regonna get in a trailer.

– So what we're looking at here has to be one of the most unique trailers in the Outdoors RV lineup, tell us little bit moreabout what we're looking at.

– Right, so this is theMountain TRX Trail Series, this is Outdoors RV's version of what most peoplewould call a toy hauler, so they're gearing it towards any kind of gear that you wanna haul, so whether it's aside-by-side, motorcycles, your Harley, or maybe it's your kayaks and your hunting gear, so it's their version of a toy hauler.

– But it's not like a lotof toy haulers that we see, cause this one isn't a fifth wheel, this is a travel trailer.

– Correct, yeah, so it's a trailer, they only make travel trailersin the toy hauler version, but they've also gone fora lodge inspired interior, where a lot of toyhaulers you're gonna see the black and the racing motif.

– You mean we're not gonna see like blue LED's around this, and ah.

– Exactly, yeah, so it'svery tastefully done, it looks like a Mountain Series trailer, but it's the toy hauler version, so you're gonna get the fuel station, you're gonna get theon-board gas generator, already has the 170 wattsolar panel on the roof, so you're gonna get alot of those features, and then you're also going to get, we order all of ourswith the big ramp decks.

– This is awesome.

– It is, so we've sold a lot of these to people that don't even have gear because they want this outside patio.

– We have some friends with some of these, whenever we see them set it up, super jealous, these are awesome.

– It is, yeah, and they've gone one step above, so many toy haulers just havea little screen in the back, this one actually haswhat I would consider almost like a French door, so they have real glass doors, and you can open and close the glass– – So you can leave thedeck down all the time and just close thosedoors at night, whatever.

– Yeah.

– And it's a lot talleras well, I noticed, than the other travel trailers they do.

– Correct, so because youhave the big ramp door, the height is going tobe bigger in the rear end of the toy hauler version than you are with aregular travel trailer.

– Gotcha.

– Yeah.

– So we're standing here on the deck now, and I see what you mean about these doors, these are proper doors, right? – Correct.

– So walk us through what we've got here, and how this functions.

– Well, okay, so if the ramp, if the railing wasn'ton the ramp right now, then you would have the ramp down and you could run your toysup in here onto the floor, time them down, when youget to where you're going you unload your toys and thenyou've got a regular trailer.

So, you're gonna have your beds that are gonna come down from the ceiling, you're have your dinette thatcomes down from the ceiling, again, you can suspend theramp and put up the railing, and so you've got yourlittle outdoor patio, bar, whatever you wanna do out here, and then you've also gotyour travel trailer inside, and again, most of thefeatures on the inside are gonna be just likethe Mountain Series, so you're still gonna get yoursolid surface countertops, and your nice cabinetry, and that kind of thing.

– [Matt] And how long isthis unit in length here – So this particular unit istheir 21, it's their shortest, so the 21 isn't gonna havea made down front bed, it's gonna have just the loft bed and then the front bathroom, then you go down to a 22, they're bringing out a new24 model here pretty soon, which I haven't seen yet, but I'm excited for that one, and then a 27 and a 29.

Being so close to the factory, we get all the people that do the hauling, so they're the people that haul to all the different dealerships, California, Texas, wherever, and they will tell youthat Outdoors RV trailers, toy haulers, everything, tow better than any other trailer because of the way they'reframes are weighted, so these guys that arehauling professionally, they don't use equalizing hitches, so they're just on a balland they're going for it, and they will all tell you that they tow better than any other trailer.

– We've heard the same things as well, and our 21RBS, towing at a half ton, it's kind of at the upper limit, and we're within all the specs, but we are towards the upper end of what we can tow withour truck, and people say “Oh, you must get a lotof sway and things, ” I'm like, sometimes I dohave to use my whole hand, not just one finger on the, it really does tow that smoothly there are times that you almost forgetthe trailer's there, even with a half ton like we've got.

There's a couple things thatimmediately jump out to me, one is that the rubberized floor reaches all the way back in here, and that must be, what, 10feet or so coming into here, but there's no dividing wall on this one.

– Correct.

– Talk to me about that.

– Well so any time you have a toy hauler with a dividing wall, you're gonna have 12 feet on top of whatever trailer youhave, Outdoors RV is not trying to get you intothe longest toy hauler with the most cargo space, they're trying to get you to do exactly what you guys are doing, they want to be in the offgrid, off the map places, so it's really hard to do that when you have a trailer that's 40 feet long.

(car drives by) So when they can keepit a little bit shorter and go with the 21, the 22, the 24, and they do make the longer models, but nothing's gonna have that wall, cause a lot of people nowadays too, they want the big fourseater side-by-sides, so it's just, it ends up beingway too long of a trailer– – And this is a really good space that you could load a lot of toys into.

– Yes, we've had people that have had them at a lake or wherever, and their is suspended over the lake, and they're out therefishing off the back deck, and it's pretty cool, itgives you some versatility.

– It's a pretty cool trailer.

I think if this had been outwhen we had been looking, we'd have been reallyseriously looking at these, cause this amount of space that you could some great stuff with, and it's not just toysyou could put in here– – Oh absolutely.

– We've got a friend to has a toy hauler and they actually use theirs as an office, they've got a desk and somechairs and things in here, cause it's just a reallygood, functional space.

– Toy haulers in general, I mean, we've had people thatdo dog shows, we've had people that do hunting dogsand have their kennels, kayaks, the list goes on and on, anything you really want to take with you, I've had women do their sewing cabinets, so there's a lot of options that you can do in therear area of this trailer.

So they've tried toutilize all of the space, so even in the floor therewas a space that was open, they turned it into an in-floor toolbox, right here, for the sportsman, you can do fishing polesor even a gun cabinet, also, let's say you'reusing this as a base camp and you're gonna backpackinto the wilderness, but you're gonna go from here, you can store all your backpacksand your gear in there, but yeah, they've thoughtof some extra little things that maybe a lot of toy haulers haven't, in the models that have the front bed, right next to the bed you'regonna have a little safe that you can put in a pistolor something like that, a lot of toy haulers are built more for the California climate, so they don't have theinsulation in the floor, they're built more for sand dunes, so this is built for elk hunting in the second season elk in November, so it's built for the cold weather, which also, in turn, is goodfor hot weather as we all know, the insulation, the dual pane windows, but the heavy-duty axles, all of that's gonna get you where you need to go in a better quality unit than pretty much any othertoy hauler on the market.

– That's awesome.

So we've talked about the differences between the Creek Side, the Timber Ridge and the Black Stone class, but it doesn't end there, does it? Because in addition to that, we also have the model number, like 21RBS on ours, so what do those numbers mean, how do I translate or understand those? – Well the numbers are going to roughly resemble the floorlength of the trailer, so you still always want to look at the overall length, preferably in the brochure, it's gonna give you the tip to tip length, because you might have one model that's called the 25 andanother that's called the 25, and they'll be up to two orthree feet different overall, so you can never go by that actual number, but it's gonna be reallyclose to the floor length, the number will be– – Which makes sense, Ithink ours is a 21RBS, and I think ours is up there, so it's about 20 feet inside.

– Right.

– But ours is 24 foot 10 if you actually measure itfrom the hitch to the bumper.

– Exactly, so if a person is trying to fit a trailer in a specific space and they only have 25 feet to work with, they need to make sure that they're looking at a smaller unit, and looking at that overall length.

Then the letters here, that just stands for whatever the floor plan is, so an RKS is gonna be a rearkitchen with a slide out, an RDS is gonna be a reardinette with a slide out, so that's kinda how you can remember which model you were looking at.

– And I think, I remember theday that we figured this out, cause we looked at these thinking like “How on earth are people memorizing these “random numbers and letter combinations?” Cause we'd already worked out that the numbers don't map exactly to the length of the unit, and I remember we worked outthe S meant it had a slide, cause we found some thatonly had two letters, like the– – RD.

– The RD– – FQ.

– The 21 RD, the 20 FQ, and we're like “Ha, they don't have slides, the S must mean slide.

” And then we realizedthat R is usually rear, F is usually front, and then the other letter kinda describes a living space, orkitchen, or a dinette, or– – Exactly.

– So the other thingthat really confuses me, and I'm sure I'm notthe only one out there, is some of these model numbers, the floor plans look the same.

– Right.

– But they have different designations, like the 21RBS and the 21FQS.

– Correct.

– They look the same.

– So they really are almostthe exact same floor plan, one is a rear bath with a front queen, the other one's a frontqueen with a rear bath, it's the same thing, but whatthey're trying to do there is to differentiate between the Creek Side and the Timber Ridge, because if we called them both 21FQS's you would think that they are identical, where the Timber Ridge is gonna have the eight inch high beam chassis, it's gonna have the fiberglass front cap, the slide out is actually deeper, it's a little bit heavier, that kind of thing, so they're just giving youthose different variations, even though they are almostidentical floor plans so that you can differentiate between the FQS being the Timber Ridge and the RBS being the Creek Side.

– What are some of the things that people really look for when they come in, what are the features they're after? – If I had to say that people come in looking specifically for any one thing, obviously we sell the whole gamut from the big 34 footers all the way down to the 20 footers, but most people, we sell more in that 30 foot and under range, we get a lot of people that come in specifically looking forsomething they can boondock and take into the National Parks, so they're trying to stayunder that 30 foot mark, so we do a lot of the 24RLS and the 24RKS, that's probably our two number one sellers because of that reason, because of the length, but then, of course, you're gonna sell the bigger ones as wellto people who are going, and a lot of people still boondock, and they'll take them anywhere even with the bigger models.

– So Corrin, thank you somuch for walking us through all of the range ofOutdoors RV trailers today, I know there's a lot going on here, across the different classes, and the Mountain Series, the Titanium Series, but I really feel thatwe've got a good handle on all that now, so thankyou so much for that.

– Yes, absolutely.

– So if people would liketo contact you guys about finding out more aboutthese, how will they do so? – Well we have a Facebook page, so it's just Thompson RV on Facebook, we have a YouTube channel, and then also our website, which is thompsonrv.

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